Need a caretaker perchance?
oceandreamer

Well it is no secret that I plan on moving to BI. I think a great situation for me is to live in a separate caretakers house and perform some duties in lieu of rent perhaps or a fulltime position as a caretaker with salary etc if anyone out there is willing to give me a chance. I must note I am an animal lover have a great dog and my daughter has a small Senegal parrot. Now Im not an industrialist or capitalist I am a simple man seeking a new life in Hawaii. Maybe island guy will consider ??? I also have BFA degree in photography and can take some killer photos. Any ideas suggestions or offers?

Im listening. Thanks

Hellloooo everyone, where are you. Surely something controversial must be going on in your head. Dennis has been really great with all of his writing; but someone else must have something to say. I must say that I love the Islandguy Travelog. Could he really have had all of those exeriences????

Active imagination or truth. What do you think? No ranting or bashing - sounds too good to be true.

Can someone tell me where the hell on this damn island there are animal loving rather thahn animal hating peole that will accept a dog in theur rental. Im realizing how hard it is to find

Shark attacks make for sensationalist media and generate significantly more hysteria than, say, getting stung by a black widow spider or falling off a ladder-- both of which occur with vastly more frequency and cause far more deaths annually. The recent fatalities on the U.S. East Coast occurred predictably when people ignored public warnings and, in two cases, actually went surfing in waters where sharks were visible at the time. Getting biten by a shark in shark-infested waters, knowing in advance that the waters are shark-infested, is somewhat akin to entering a burning building wearing a paper suit.

Now for the facts: Worldwide, in the year 2000, there were 79 confirmed unprovoked shark attacks, including 10 fatalities, compared with 58 attacks in 1999. More than two thirds occurred in North American waters; just 2 occurred in the state of Hawaii and none on the Big Island. The last shark attack on Hawaii Island occurred October 7, 1999, in the waters off Old Kona Airport State Park. The victim, a teenager, was attacked by a tiger shark while surfing at dusk. In July, 1999, a 43-year-old man was attacked while surfing near Hilo. Before then, the last attack took place in 1972, when a spearfisherman was biten on the arm by Waimanu Valley. In 1963, a man was biten on the leg while surfing off South Kona. Despite more than 100 known shark attacks in Hawaii's waters since 1900, the Big Island has not had a single fatality caused by a shark since such records have been kept.

According to the International Shark Attack File (ISAF), the "number of shark-human interactions transpiring in a given year is directly correlated to the amount of human time spent in the sea. As the world population continues to upsurge and the time spent in aquatic recreation greatly rises, we might expect an annual increase in the number of attacks. By contrast, nearshore shark populations are declining at a serious rate in many areas of the world as a result of overfishing, theoretically reducing the opportunity for these shark-human interactions. However, year-to-year variability in local economic, meteorological and oceanographic conditions also significantly influences the odds of sharks and humans encountering one another. As a result, short-term trends in the number of shark attacks must be viewed with caution."

In other words, more people are getting attacked by sharks, because there are more people getting in the water. As a wise old diving instructor remarked, "every time you enter the ocean, you become part of the food chain." This is advice worth remembering whether you're diving, bodyboarding, surfing, swimming, kayaking, or just squatting in the surf to take a pee (especially then, some might say).

There is also conclusive evidence linking rising water temperatures from global warming with the increasing prevalance of sharks near the shore. Some shark species frequent warmer waters where their preferred prey is most likely to be found.

As a diver, I've been fortunate to encounter numerous sharks, including some rare and exotic species, without incident. The only time I felt seriously threatened happened when I inadvertently jumped on a sleeping blacktip reef shark entering the water from a liveaboard on a nightdive. I'm not an expert on shark behavior, but I recall reading that when a shark is about to feed, it arches its back. Which is what the blacktip was doing when I shined my divelight in its eyes. Never before has a diver in full gear swum backward so furiously in black water, with such a mad flailing of oversize "power" fins. Fortunately for me, the coral head where the shark was hanging out was its nighttime abode and, with me out of the picture, he was content to let bygones be bygones. So was I.

Sounds like a good plan to me, Dreamer. I recently visited with someone who just moved here with a much lessor amount than the nest egg you're saving. They started out living in campgrounds until they could get jobs. Seems you'll have enough to rent a place until you get established. Some people have money, most people don't. Love for the island and its people are the most valued asset.

I too watch travel channel here on mainland and I do watch anything on channel that is about hawaii. It is strangely comforting to see hawaii on TV whether its reruns of MAGNUM PI{I know i got it bad} to just about anything hawaii. You are all so lucky to already be settled on island. It is hard when you are physically in one place and mentally somewhere else! The forums have been a great help for me too. The only thing I am lacking on finally coming out is of course the money I need to do so which maybe by your standards may not be very much and you would think what in the world could someone moving out here do with lets say about 30,000 dollars. Well its better than a quick kick in the ass! When I reach this goal of this money I will leave on what is called a sabbatical from my job. It differs from a leave of absence because it allows you to still for one year have your health benefits and still have your job waiting if you decide to come back. I guess I look at coming to island as a great adventure. Yes I know of all the negative but I also know of the positive. Im sure Dennis will agree that there is nothing like sitting on a quiet beach checking out the waves rolling in and each one is different.

There is something nice about living in a place that is not mainland USA but has feel of being its own country which in many ways it is! Yes I must be crazy and possessed to put myself through such anxiety about something but like the many thousands that have moved there I guess we all have felt same way. I only regret that me coming out there will just add to the masses of people that already came and put more poison in the air from my car etc. What can I really do? If ya want to be there you go and hope that maybe in some small way you can contribute something positive to the island! There must be at lest some controll on island for any more development. I am hoping that there is some kind of cap on future development.

An environmental impact analysis is the same as an environmental impact statement. There is an Environmental Impact Analysis Data Links page at:

http://water.usgs.gov/eap/env_data.html

Good luck with your studies, and "Aloha" to South Africa from the Big Island of Hawaii!

I am a third year student at technikon Witwatersrand, Johannesburg, South Africa. One of my subjects is TOurism Development III, and i am required to do an assignment using an environmental impact analysis. i have searched many sources of information, and although it is relatively easy to find an environmental impact assesment, i can not seem to find the analysis.

where can i find the process or format of an enviornmental impact analysis? My assignment deadline is at the end of September and although i have the information, i do not know what to do with it.

your assistance is appreciated.

Thanks, C.M., it's refreshing to hear from a neighbor who loves the island and its people.

Unfortunately, just thinking positive thoughts won't bring back the 10,000 extinct species that disappeared after people first arrived on the islands, or remove the poisons put into the land by the plantation companies, or stop big developers from driving landowners off their property so that more golf courses can be built, or help the children who are addicted to drugs to grow up as productive citizens. Sometimes, negative things have to be said, so that we can come to grips with a problem as a united community, and do something about it! According to the scientists at the university, the Hawaiian ecosystem is collapsing. In other words, our beautiful island is dying. All of us who live here can do something about it, and should. There are more than enough people on the internet telling everyone how wonderful our island is. Now if we can get more people to start trying to save it...

Yes, the whole nation does need fixing. But this is our home, and so let's start here.

CRIME ! CRIME! CRIME! better look close to the ones doing the crime what is the percentage that are HAWAIIN ummm ...I think you would have to say that not that many Hawaiians huh? Yes there is Crime no matter where you turn in this world, I still leave my doors unlocked and feel safe, and I do not live way up in the sticks.. No matter where you live you make the best of it, I still feel Hawaii is the best place to raise my children and the culture is mixed yes..Do you think thats why they call it the Melting Pot? I am an Hispanic and my family has been here from generations and I love this culture may it be mixed ..how healthy it is to be able to teach our children all types of cultures in such a small State.. I been to the mainland and seen all different ethnic people there as well.. So what's your point? Just rememeber you live where you are comfortable and make the best of all that what ever state you live in. I LOVE MY HAWAII AND RMEMEBER ALOHA IS IN THE HEART!!!! I always thought if one thinks negative he or she will see things in a negative way..This whole nation needs change not just HAWAII !

Aloha, C.M.

I am not sure what to think of my last reading on here that island guy posted? Many of his writings are less than positive about island life but as someone I have become friends with in Oahu told me, it is the Haoles that speak a lot of negativity about island. I told her that all I seem to hear is alot of negative tuff about everything from the locals to wild bands of dogs, to corrupt island government, and this being inclusive of police department.

It sounds like I must stay off roads or face death due to alcohol crazed locals who drive by seat of their pants or maybe without? Im hearing they rape young girls, and that domestic violence is rampant and that many holes have to live in gated communities? Cmon I am sure there is a small measure of truth to some of this but cannot be a painted picture of accuracy for this island? I am told that if you do not look down on the locals like your better than they are and be real and be friendly then you will be accepted. However if you move to islands like our popular forum friend has whose names starts with R, with an arrogance that can be smelled by about anyone, then you are asking for trouble. Please I would just love to hear rebuttals of island guys last soliloquy about the island please!

I would like to know if the lack of seasonal weather changes such as on the mainland really does a number on ones head. Instead of having four distinctive seasons that are mildly or radically different from each other, how long does it take to acclimate to fact that it is just plain sunny and warm whether or not it is summer winter fall or spring! Although I have been to islands numerous times but only for a few weeks at a time not seasons, I tend to wonder if it really is a bummer when for example winter comes and xmas time comes and its the same as it was in summer? Is it depressing in any way? Does also may I ask if looking at the ocean everyday and as a resident not tourist becomes very passe." I love the ocean but I worry that being exposed to the beauty on daily basis becomes less exciting or mundane after a short while . Suggestions as to how one adjusts to all this. I grew up in New York State where I had a nice cool fall with beautiful leaves turning colors and a very pleasant spring and hot summer. Each season was quite distinctive. In Seattle well other than the gray clouds that we live with 75% of year we still do not have a very distinctive season change other than deep winter where Temps will and can get quite cold at times. Share with me please.

Aloha mai käkou e nä kama li'ili'i,

Auwe! Another Haunani! Although I am pro-Hawaiian also and feel that there needs to be justice, I know that things can be worked out so that we all can live in Hawai'i. There are ways to talk about the issues and what I see going on in here is the typical extreme one side versus the other without even listening to what people have to say, etc. Now if everyone could put themselves in the opponent's shoe, they'd be not only more sympathic but will realize that we can come to a solution and not just be so angry and lash out.

But I have hope. I see a lot of younger Hawaiians are becoming much more educated and well versed in the legal field and using that to their advantage. It's a new millenium, one here we will right the wrong and at the same time be able to live in harmony as we have been doing for a century now with people of all ethinicities. That's what makes us so unique. I won't let no outsider tell me that Hawai'i is the worse place as far as racism goes or have local people use every name in the book against haoles or any other outsider.

I left my home, the land of my ancestors 12 years ago for many reasons. Now I see with all of this happening, it was time to stand up and join the cause. The cause, to make sure idiots do not take the truth and twist it to their advantage and at the same time condenscend the passive ones who just want peace in general.

me ka ha'aha'a

There was some clarification needed to be addressed. The land that Kamehameha I gave to the first Parker was John Palmer Parker who in turn married Kamehameha Pai'ea's granddaughter Keli'ikipi, through his daughter Kahiwa.

Mexican cowboys known as "vaqueros" were brought over to heard the cattle. They spoke Español which in Hawaiian was Hawaiianized to Paniolo and ended up meaning "cowboy" as well as "spanish".

I am unclear as to the Portuguese being responsible for the Mexicans coming over only because of the time frame (of immigration) among the two.

Humphrey- In my opinion two or more of the best beaches are limited to 4wd access. It's a local solution to keeping them from being over run. Kua bay is off of a 4wd road exiting from Queen K highway at mile marker 88 (obviously on the makai side;^) about half a mile farther south is another 4wd road in worse condition that leads to Makalawena (sp?) keep veering left to avoid dead ends. You can of course walk to them and avoid the rough road, but try not to block the road with a vehicle. Oh, and both beaches are good for body boarding, but watch the surf for a while as the waves can really pound you... no life guards. There's often only a few people out on a week day so it's easy to pick a spot where you won't bother anyone else. Oh, and last I heard Kua Bay was going to be developed by some hotel soon enough... and the sand of Makalawena can sometimes partially disappear in the winter.

On local worries, I understand. I think most of the folks are pretty friendly and full of aloha, but the older teenagers can get nasty, especially at night in groups and when drunk. I grew up in Texas (in a town that now has 10x more people/houses/cars than I remember), and I have to say that what you see on the big island is rural attitude and crime. The positive side is it's easy to meet your neighbors and look out for each other. Strangers stick out, when you know everyone. I've never had a problem personally, but I've seen kids acting out. The police are much the same. Not corrupt the way they are in big cities, but extended families are awful big on the island, and they wouldn't want to arrest one of their kin, and they like their family problems ignored no matter what. OK so there's the Yakuza and a tinge of LV to the place (beyond the golf courses), that seems mostly to affect big-money deals and some politics.

It's not suburbia. It's not the big city. It's basically rural with some resorts thrown in. I think if you're sensitive you can get along with most everyone and avoid the wild ones on friday and saturday nights. The drunk driving, the illiteracy and violence in the highschools, the folks who smile and wave even to those they don't know. It's part of being in the country. Yes there's cultural antagonism, but I've seen kids give other folks trouble 'cause they didn't go to Hilo High (being from Oahu is foreign to them). There's plenty of envy to go around too 'cause some of these folks were losing their sugar jobs (or a parent was) about the time that the Japanese came in (and the Dot-comers later).

Hawaii is great, but it changes with every new immigrant, and I guess I'm part of that problem running ahead of the next wave just the way my parents did and theirs before them. The Hawaiians don't have anywhere near as nice to run to:^)

enjoy

I feel even if the locals were able to purchase their own one acre plots just to have a piece of hawaii would be well worth it. We are not talking about purchasing in North Kona but more likely in south or east hawaii where they can get an acre for under 10,000/ At least they can say they own forever a piece of the island that is always theirs. Its a small bread crumb of course to whole loaf of bread but its a start. But there you go with your arrogance Richard in calling these people names. Afterall you are so much better than anyone else you self rightous pig! Have some respect for where you live because it is not your island pal wether or not you own a piece of land consider yourself a guest.

Assuming that these folks were on the mainland and had marketable skills, getting better (or any) jobs might be part of the answer. But how would you suggest that a few tens of thousands of Hawaiians with questionable marketable skills get well-paying jobs in this state? Assuming this was possible (which it isn't) how long would it take for this group of people to raise, collectively, the couple billion after-tax dollars to buy significant land, thus keeping the Dreaded Haole's out? That is assuming the currrent owners (the above-mentioned Dreaded Haoles) want to sell.

Your arguement is somewhat like the old Sam Kinnison routine about the starving masses in desert couintries....let them go to where the food is! Life is just not that simple.

The Mafia and Yakuza would likely stop that ball from rolling as well, but their powers are not likely to be needed since the ball will never form.

Too late Frank. There are already lots of SUVs and not just dozens but hundreds of ABC stores. Haoles arriving doesn't increase the ABC stores - no haole trying to become an islander would go in one - they are for the tourist. If I could change one thing about the Big Island I would vote for having the power lines buried.

I have to admit all this I hear about Big island is begining to scare me a bit. I want to make sure that I will be taking my 19 year old daughter  somewhere where she does not have to walk in fear! It sounds to me and correct me if wrong that everything is ok if i stay within territory of my own kind. Also to not go out at night or drive through small towns or dare cutoff a police officer or get shot/ Is this REALLY HAWAII? Are things really that volatile? I need to know and fast! Sounds like some humongous subculture that tourists do not see of crime and violence and whats happening to Dennis is yet another! Straighten me out please!

Thanks for the comments, I actually wrote a question poorly. I do not seek to 4x4 on the beach mealy to access one by 4x4 that is a little more remote that a couple labs taking a dip would not be upsetting anyone when they shook off near a nice clean beach towel. Your news on the home prices is good, Hopefully we get a decent deal next month and interest rates are hard to beat right now as well. The second homes I don't think will generate much traffic if Murdock's Lanai is a test, the places are empty way more then occupied and they certainly wont be commuting to work or anything.

As for your degenerate hooligan neighbor, I would suggest a plastic tub full of cold beer and ice at your property line with a white flag flapping. No good will come of escalation and most good drunks can't be angry with someone who give them booze (Especially if Iced Down) so who knows $30 bucks may save you allot of heartache down the road. If that don't work let me know and I will get you a book on ancient Japanese booby traps which will at least keep you safe at home and have the added benny of discouraging the soul savers from repeat visits.

Kalani did in fact send a new message, which I really can't post here, as it doesn't pass the "incendiary language" liability test. In essence, it invites unnamed persons to tell him where they live (assuming from the tone the writer is masculine) for purposes that seem unsociable and probably subject to prosecution.

Well that was certainly a very interesting posting. It seems that you have written out of feelings rather than the reality of the situation. You spoke of the Spirits that walk Hawai'i. How can you presume to know what they want or intend for the land. My feeling is that you must be a very young hot-headed person - what the reality is I don't know because I don't know you! If you believe that the spirits walk, which I feel is true also, then  cannot the same spirit come back in another embodiment? In that case one should respect all peoples that we come in contact with. You never know why that person was put on earth. All of the non-native people are not out to destroy the land and culture. There are some who upon setting foot on the soil feel a peace and sense of returning, want nothing more than to help and preserve what is left for all. Emotions are to be felt, but reality is what we should react on, and the destructiveness of your posting seems to indicate that you are a young soul.

Is it possible that you are Lani that posted on the other web?

Instant gratification is unfortunately ingrained in us all and as a result some how some way posts need to hit automatically, come back and edit or delete later. I know I know it's free and a pain already but to flame or rant 24 hours later just is not as rewarding.

O-dreamer - Don't tell us off slam the door in a little tizzy and then come back in the house without an apology. (You Single Huh?)

The Kohala coast is expected to have 500-750 million dollars in new development in the next 3 years. Almost all for the second home market of 1 million+ Homes. Good Jobs and tax revenue from folks who don't use services or terror of the scenic lava flows?

I am babbling here but just trying to throw some stuff out there to see what sticks.Why are homes I saw 6 months ago for sale on H.I.S still there, I thought the economy was experiencing a little rebound. Is it just wishful thinking by the press?

How long is a Newcomer a Newcomer? What beaches or parks do folks like our man Kalani hang out at? Never snorkeled or scuba'ed in my life, what's the best way for a complete rookie to get into that world safely? Longtime bodysurfer and excellent swimmer already.

Why won't my realtor call me back?

Where's a beach I can drive my 4x4 and take my two labs swimming without the upsetting anyone?

What elevation in Kailua-Kona can I never worry about AC?

Any info on the topics will be appreciated. I promised Dennis if he built it they would come so I need to do my part and poke the surfing insomniacs with at stick and get folks to "Click Lips"

There seem to be four basic models of Hawaiian sovereignty: state-within-a-state, nation-within-a-nation, free association (territorial status), and independent republic. The status of non-Hawaiians under each model is described in the following:

http://www.hookele.com/non-hawaiians/chapter8.html

In the independence model, non-Hawaiians currently residing in the state would have the option of becoming full citizens of the new republic. Immigration and tourism would be restricted. Nothing is mentioned about the military presence, nuclear missile silos, radar installations, science labs, and observatories. Realistically, I don't see the federal government letting loose those little odds and ends under any conceivable circumstances.

The Island Guy had an interesting post here about Hawaiian sovereignty with an interesting link. What happened to it?

In response to Kalani, I would have to say what you probably already know. You can't fight the man directly in an arena no longer under our control. Look at your brothers in Puerto Rico and there methods. Part of what they have done is create a hell on Earth to deter the white man from wanting to settle there. You could try to create a hell on Earth like you find in Palestine, the Balkans, Indonesia, or Ireland. Do you want to live in a hell on Earth? Do you want to personally bring about the havoc and mayhem it would take to create such a place?

I live in a genetic society right now in Japan. You have to be a Japanese national; i.e. ethnically Japanese to vote here, get a bank loan, etc. I'm a mixed blood Cherokee. Do you know the amount of crap I have to go through to get on the tribal registery? I would not want to create that kind of society.

Hey Dennis! I say we have a "name the lips" contest. We can't continue to refer to her as the "talk story" mouth. I will enter my vote now to name her "Monica."

Regarding the pregant pause, I didn't do it, and I'm not paying child support. Heck, we only went out a couple times.

I loved your story. That probing story was a real okole squeezer. Keep up the in-depth reporting as you work your way upstream to the heart of the matter, going through a couple of gut-wrenching nightmares along the way, of course.

"We have seen the enema and it is us..."

What? Nothing positive? The page is fast-loading, has cool petroglyphs in the left margin, and features America's sweetheart in a hula skirt! I mean, really, what could possibly be more positive than that? Plus, you can use your mouse to pick the teeth in the Talk-Story mouth. Now that's what I call an entertainment bargain. Buy a link! Discover the truth about sex on the Big Island on the Da Kine page! Travel to distant lands with Island Guy (over and over and over) on the ever-repetitious Travelog page. Yow!

One story about enemas, one ad to recruit protesters and one angry voice crying in the wilderness. . .that's it for a week?!

Was it the graphic nature of a probing story that silenced the masses or is this an ostrich-like reaction to a political agenda? What has curtailed the fairly active exchanges of last week?

Lots of stuff in the news to talk about and a zealous report on beer shared on the KW forum but none has foamed over to this lonely site.

Ok how 'bout some basic questions. . .

Is it true the the road to South Point has been blocked off or is that another road to another beach? What does one normally do with this situation? Would one incur the wrath and possible violence of the locals to breech such a road block? Are there similar situations or incidents along those lines that can shed some light?

Who has any info concerning DSL Internet on the Island such as: areas covered, cost of services, preferred service providers

Or what else can we talk about?

STOP! STOP TOP-DOWN OAHU POLITICS! [with a stop sign logo]

FAIR! FIGHT AGAINST ISLAND RE-DISTRICTING! [Logo?]

Who has more to offer?

You can fight City Hall....and win. I have done it. Your ideas of organizing and mobilizing the populace will work. Keep the faith!!

This is primarily for current residents/property owners on the B.I. , altho the outcome will affect newcomers as well, and therefore is of importance to us all.

The Redistricting Commission for the state has come up with a proposal that basically disenfranchises the residents of their proposed 'canoe districts' and maintains Oahu's majority in the leg - even tho the latest census says that for the first time, the population of the outer islands is greater than that of Oahu.

How do they manage that: Simple! First you establish a commission of only Oahu residents to redistrict the state - The excuse for that was that it would be too expensive for outer island members to travel to the meetings [but not too expensive for a representative to travel between the BI and Maui to talk to constituents!]

After you hand pick you commission, you agree to count the military personnel and dependents as well as resident aliens in you population base. There are over 60,000 military people on Oahu - who are residents of other states!. I SUPPOSE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE INCLUDED DOGS AND CATS LICENSED IN HONOLULU, ONLY if they could have... Then you hold meetings on Oahu, and if you do schedule any elsewhere, they are for planners only, and not announced to the public in advance.

That's how they accomplished the task - and the result is that Puna and Hana Maui are in one district [I think it would be difficult to find 2 more disparate areas] and to make that really fair, 70% of the population is on Maui!

I'd imagine that many on the BI who don't live in Puna are saying "So what? No skin offa MY nose!" But, if Oahu maintains the majority, where do you think the next prison will be located - or gambling casinos? or toxic waste dumps? Sure'n Hell, NOT on Oahu, and the BI seems to be Cayetano's favorite target.

When I lived on Vashon Island in Washington, the State DOT was promoting a 'Cross Sound Bridge' that would have turned Vashon into a bridge piling and opened thousands of acres of land owned by Weyrhauser [sp?] to development at the expense of the tax-payers. We organized an organization called BOO! [Bridge Opponents Organization] 2000 voters attended the public meeting on the proposal at the local high school [other affected communities only managed to turn out 2 or 3 hundred] Vashon had about 5000 registered voters at the time.

The meeting was so large we had all the TV channels video taping it for the 11:00 news - and it ran until almost midnite - I think 1999 people had something to say AGAINST the proposal - and one poor guy thought it was a good idea. We passed the hat, sold buttons and bumper stickers, and raised enough to file a lawsuit, and send lobbyists to the legislature. The meeting was written up in the NY Times [I may have a copy I can e-mail - If I can find the thing!]

Anyway, public opinion CAN reverse bad decisions. The bridge was never more then a pipe dream after that.

I am proposing that the BI organize a similar organization to turn out people for the public meetings on re-districting. I know it will take a day out of your gardening and duck-chasing or diving - but this is totally non-partisan and of major importance to our future - NO matter WHAT you vision is of the BI and the other outer-islands. If I knew anyone on either Maui or Kuaii, I'd get them involved too!

FOCUS! stands for FIGHT OAHU COMMISSARS-UNITY & SOLIDARITY!

If anyone else can think of a better anagram, feel free - this may not be my greatest talent - for now tho, it will do. If we have an artist around we could do a pair of hands holding binoculars and FOCUS! on bumper-stickers and buttons, etc.

But, to achieve a positive outcome we need a steering committee to organize things. We have to incorporate as a non-profit organization to prevent lawsuits against individuals, and to establish an escrow account for any money raised etc. I've spent a lot of time as a political, organizer, and unless this is done fast and properly, it will simply be another rant and rave on the BI forum.

I think the steering committee should have no more then a dozen official members or fewer on the board, with others as auxiliary members, committee chairs etc. Remember, the more people - the more time wasted [I hate committees, btw - I cannot believe I am actually suggesting forming one!] Off the top of my head, I'd say we need a atty, a finanancial guru, a computer genius, a PR person, an artist, a couple of organizer/propagandist, and some old islanders with lots of contacts in the state - preferably on the outer islands.

If you are interested, AND WILLING TO WORK! e-mail me at: xntrk@hotmail.com. Spam and hate mail will go on my block sender list [vbg]

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